Welcome to the
Inner Green Deal Podcast

Interviews with leaders on the front-line of climate action.

 What inspires them, what scares them and what keeps them going?

This podcast explores the human dimension of climate change.

Episode 08 – Is sustainability realistic?

November 25, 2020 – hosted by Liane Stephan

Liane asks Fernando Garcia about the state of our planet and whether sustainability is a realistic focus.

Should we hold on to a belief that we can live in a sustainable way with 8 billion people on this planet – or should we start thinking about the possibility that this may not be realistic – and start reflecting on what is truly worth saving, what we need to let go off and what we need to come to terms with?

Fernando is a former Director of Health and Wellbeing at the European Commission. While is not a scientist he is one of the most informed citizens I know. Since he retired two years ago, he has been attending and facilitating retreats where he explores how we relate to nature.

In this podcast he raises some tough questions but also offers answers that not only present a more realistic future but also one that is more enjoyable and in connection with our ourselves and with nature.

This is the final episode of our first podcast season. We look forward to continuing this journey together.

For the next season we will open up the podcast platform to new facilitators and guests. If you want to join our podcast team or be an occasional contributor, send a message to jeroen.janss@awaris.com – we would love to hear from you!

Equally as we are all volunteers, we would welcome financial donations to cover the costs and support the ongoing functioning of our podcast.

We loved making this first podcast season and look forward to continue the exploration together!

For now enjoy this special episode with Fernando Garcia!

About Fernando Garcia

About Liane Stephan

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Episode 07 – Will technology be a true accelerator of the green transition?

November 18, 2020 – hosted by Liane Stephan

In this episode Liane is talking to Parham Vasaiely about the role of technology in the green transition.

Parham is the Global director for Advanced Safety and Autonomous Driving at a large technology company. In addition, Parham is a Global Advisory Board Member to the United Nations on the topic of technology and innovation.

And to complete the list, he was the former Chair of the Private Sector and Workplace charter of the British All-Party Parliamentary Group on Mindfulness.

Liane asks Parham about the role of technology in the green transition and what is a helpful mindset given today’s complex and interconnected economy.

I encourage you to listen to Parham’s responses as he talks about his own leadership journey, and what helped him to broaden his perspective and be more effective as a leader.

About Parham Vasaiely

About Liane Stephan

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Episode 06 – Are you ready for a green career?

November 11, 2020 – hosted by Jeroen Janss

Louise Tideman is 29 and works at NGO “WeForest”.

I ask Louise what it takes for a young person to have impact in purpose driven organisations that are dominated by really driven people with obviously more skills and experience than those that start out.

What obstacles did she had to overcome and what lessons did she learn?

As you probably can tell from the interview, it was a joy to meet Louise as she was not only one of the friendliest people I met – but also one of those rare persons that are willing to share their insecurities and the ways to over come them.

So enjoy listening to Louise and this week’s episode of the Inner Green Deal Podcast.

About Louise Tideman

About WeForest

About host Jeroen Janss

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Episode 05 – What if Trump wins again? The role of Compassion in politics.

November 4, 2020 – hosted by Jeroen Janss

In this special episode, I am talking to Bryan Welch, leading publisher on sustainability, CEO of mindful.org and committed rancher from Kansas.

I ask Bryan how he feels if Donald Trump were to win and what a contested election means for America.

Knowing the system from the inside he points to the divisions that he has seen deepening over the years and the media and vested interests that have played a role in that.

Yet despite the challenging outlook, Bryan also sees many positive developments and talks about the millions of people that discover the power of compassion – a quality that he sees not only as distinctively human – and grounding – but also as critical at a time of societal division, environmental mass extinction and climate change.

So take a deep breath and listen to Bryan’s wisdom while the reality of the US elections slowly unfolds.

More about Bryan Welch at Mindful.org

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Episode 04 – From färm to fork: what is changing?

October 28, 2020 – hosted by Jeroen Janss

In this episode I am talking to Lionel Wauters, co-founder and chairman of Färm, a group of organic food stores.

I ask Lionel about the role of food in the green transition and the secret behind the success of Färm.

Lionel’s answers may surprise you. In particular when he talks about the organisation behind Färm and the way Farm invited producers – farmers, employees and other stakeholders to join their Board and take decisions together.

It is an inspiring model particularly at a time when Europe is debating the future of agriculture and struggling to agree on the substantial amount of change that needs to happen in the interest of all stakeholders – including our planet.

I am sure you will be intrigued by Lionel and think of this episode next time you enter a foodstore.

Färm website

About Lionel Wauters

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Episode 03 – What role do mindsets play in activating sustainable development and climate action?

October 21, 2020 – hosted by Liane Stephan

Christine Wamsler is Professor at Lund University Center for Sustainability Studies in Sweden.

She is at the forefront of research on the human qualities that are essential for sustainable climate action and has over 20 years of experience working in sustainable development, risk reduction and climate adaptation.

She has led many international projects and has published more than 200 academic papers, articles and books.

But beyond the academic credentials, Christine is a remarkable person. Having been on the ground in areas struck by hurricanes and other extreme weather events, Christine’s interest and understanding of human behaviour is profound.

From the conversation with Christine you will get an unusual amount of insight on how our inner qualities – such as awareness, openness and compassion – relate to pro-social behaviour and climate action in particular.

So let’s listen to Christine and her profoundly human vision of climate action.

For more information on Christine’s work, go to:

–  Contemplative Sustainable Futures Program: overview of research on the role of inner dimensions in transformation and sustainability. Two specific research projects referred to in the podcast: TransVision and Mind4Change.

Christine’s profile at Lund University Centre for Sustainability Studies (LUCSUS).

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Episode 02 – How will the European Green Deal change our lives?

October 14, 2020 – hosted by Jeroen Janss

Bernd Biervert is Head of Unit at the European Commissions’ Research & Innovation Directorate.

I ask Bernd about the scope of the European Green Deal and what we can expect over the next 5 to 10 years.

From Bernd’s replies you get a glimpse of what it takes to bring change at societal level. Which is fascinating.

In the media there is a tendency to glorify entrepreneurs who address specific needs some of which are social, which is of course wonderful but it’s becoming clear that we need large-scale systemic change to address systemic problems.

And this is the terrain of the European Commission. The Commission initiates laws, regulations and fiscal policies that drive systemic change across the Continent.

The question is, can it do so fast enough and can it convince leaders of Member States to embrace the necessary change?

Listen to Bernd as he talks about the vision, the courage and the endurance that is needed to drive systemic change.

For more on the EU and the European Green Deal go to:

The European Green Deal
DG RTD: EU Research & Innovation

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Episode 01 – Can we expect a revolution from the young?

October 8, 2020 – hosted by Jeroen Janss

Matthew Pye is an author, philosophy teacher and founder of a number of Climate Action Initiatives.

Working at a European School in Brussels, I ask Matthew about the role of the young and how their impact is evolving.

This is a special episode not just because it is the first in a new series but because Matthew so clearly describes the inner dimension of Climate Action.

Why it pays to go beyond the rhetoric and why uncovering the truth – not just the facts – but what we deep down feel to be right and truthful is ultimately what makes the difference and gives us the drive and the courage to confront and change.

Be curious as Matthew shares his vision and kicks off the Inner Green Deal Podcast.

For more information on the books and initiatives of Matthew go to:

Matthew Pye’s website

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Introducing the Inner Green Deal Podcast

What if the most powerful response to the climate crisis is how we as humans behave and collaborate?

This podcast explores the human dimension of climate action.

A lot is being done on the outer level: science, technology, finance. But how about the inner human dimension? What is it that we need to learn as humans? How come that – despite the urgency and all the evidence – we somehow don’t change?

Hosts Liane Stephan and Jeroen Janss introduce the topic and talk about who they will interview during this first season.

Episode 1 will be launched on October 8th. Subscribe here or directly on Apple or Spotify.

Jeroen Janss and Liane Stephan are the Podcast initiators and facilitators. For more information on the Inner Green Deal Initiative contact Jeroen at jeroen.janss@awaris.com.

The Inner Green Deal Initiative offers a range of short and long-term programs, for individuals, teams and communities.

Supported by facilitators with deep expertise in systemic change, neuroscience and leadership.

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“The success of an intervention depends on the interior condition of the intervener”
– Bill O’Brien

The Inner Green Deal Initiative is supported by:

Awaris: experts in systemic change, neuroscience and leadership development, working with leaders at the European Commission as well as with leaders at high impact companies.